How Can I Tell What My Ar Receiver Was Registered As

March 25th, 2009,02:00 AM

I ordered 3 stripped lowers to be shipped to my local FFL, only to larn that in PA, whatsoever stripped lowers must exist accompanied by all handgun paperwork JUST IN CASE they would be manufactured into pistols. And so now I've got three lowers which will probably NEVER be built into pistols, just I'm bold they'll have to be transferred every bit such forever - is this right? I've even been told that if I had ordered them as completed lowers with the full A2 buttstock attached, the same rule applies.

Therefore, even if I build these into complete rifles: I cannot sell these in a confront-to-face up transaction without an FFL involved? I cannot sell these to someone from out-of land under any circumstances?

Would it be possible to order more than lowers and have them shipped to a nearby country with looser regulations (what are WV and OH similar?), where I could pick them up and accept them treated as rifles forever?

Am I making besides much out of this, or is this a bunch of crap?

March 25th, 2009,02:06 AM

Quote Originally Posted past b.leevr View Post

I ordered three stripped lowers to be shipped to my local FFL, just to learn that in PA, whatever stripped lowers must be accompanied by all handgun paperwork JUST IN CASE they would exist manufactured into pistols. Then now I've got three lowers which will probably NEVER be built into pistols, merely I'm assuming they'll have to be transferred every bit such forever - is this correct? I've even been told that if I had ordered them as completed lowers with the total A2 buttstock attached, the same rule applies.

Therefore, even if I build these into complete rifles: I cannot sell these in a confront-to-face transaction without an FFL involved? I cannot sell these to someone from out-of country under any circumstances?

Would it exist possible to social club more lowers and accept them shipped to a nearby state with looser regulations (what are WV and OH similar?), where I could option them up and have them treated every bit rifles forever?

Am I making as well much out of this, or is this a bunch of crap?

This seems to exist coming up a lot lately. The confusion was caused by the alter on the FEDERAL 4473. I have heard of a half dozen dealers doing unnecessary tape of sales paperwork on a stripped AR lower. It is NOT necessary unless something changed that PSPFD has failed to tell most of us well-nigh. The only change in the sale of a stripped lower is that now nether the new 4473 there is an extra box to be checked if it is a stripped receiver and information technology can only be sold to persons 21 or over.

Rich Westward.

March 25th, 2009,02:27 AM

Quote Originally Posted past Warners Surplus View Post

The only modify in the auction of a stripped lower is that now nether the new 4473 there is an actress box to be checked if it is a stripped receiver and it can merely be sold to persons 21 or over.

Where can I find this written down so I can have my lowers released without the additional paperwork? I was told that PSP require handgun paperwork with all stripped lowers.

March 25th, 2009,02:48 AM

I found the following substitution on http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...p?t-56140.html

jdubois 02-13-2009, 09:44 AM
The FFL is right, guys. We had this question a few weeks ago and it threw me too. With the new 4473 form issued terminal October, y'all select 'Other Firearm' for question 18 when transferring just a lower. 'Other Firearms' are non transferable to non-residents like rifles and shotguns are. The other ridiculous implication at present is that nobody under 21 tin buy a lower receiver from an FFL, even though they tin can potentially buy the whole burglarize.

JimConway 02-13-2009, 09:46 AM
A few months ago BATFE notified all dealers, that an AR lower receiver was to be considered equally a handgun and not as a rifle.

March 25th, 2009,03:26 AM

Finish, don't drink the Kool-aid, this was hashed out less than 2 months ago here. Search part is amazing when it works. Here is the gist of information technology from ane of our own moderators who happens to be a FFL.

Quote Originally Posted past Pa. Patriot View Post

Find a dealer that knows what they are talking about.

You must be 21 to buy a stripped receiver (due to the fact it can be used as pistol or rifle). This is a Fed requirement. Just Pa. Code only requires firearms having less than 15" barrrel length to be transferred/sold on a PSP form SP4-113.

two reasons:
1) Receivers do not accept a barrel and are not Firearms (handguns/SBS/SBR) per the 6102 definition because they take non been built into i even so they can not be "or frame or receiver of such weapon)

2) The requirement of filling out a form SP4-113 per 18Pa.C.S.6111 is express to the following per paragraph (f)(2)

As such, other than the 21yr old Fed requirement, they transfer like a burglarize, non a pistol.

Link to the thread: http://forum.pafoa.org/rifles-42/485...ed-pistol.html

March 25th, 2009,07:38 AM

JimConway 02-13-2009, 09:46 AM
A few months agone BATFE notified all dealers, that an AR lower receiver was to be considered equally a handgun and non as a rifle.

This guy is Incorrect. The BATFE says (said) that lower receivers are NEITHER a handgun NOR a longarm. That is why they added the OTHER box on the 4473. Also, because they are neither, that is the reason that an under 21 yr one-time cannot buy one from an FFL and that is explained in the narrative portion of the 4473.

To quote from the 4473: "Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include 1 that tin but be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle," it cannot be transferred to anyone under the historic period of 21"

March 25th, 2009,11:xl AM

OK - So what do I practice? Take this info to my FFL and politely asking that they don't file the paperwork that they believe they are legally required to file?

Tin I have them send the pieces to another FFL that understands the law?

I guess I'm near concerned with my legal obligation if I e'er make up one's mind to sell a completed rifle from one of these pieces. If I were to sell all iii of these units FTF every bit long guns, could I exist charged with an unlawful transfer of a handgun?

My FFL still has my receivers. What should I do?

March 25th, 2009,eleven:49 AM

Quote Originally Posted by b.leevr View Post

My FFL still has my receivers. What should I practise?

Find another FFL who understands what these updates actually mean. Have the lowers transferred there, and then go option them up.

Yous can inform the current FFL why yous won't be doing business with them any longer, and in the future, ostend such details before engaging in a transaction.

March 25th, 2009,11:59 AM

Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post

Find another FFL who understands what these updates actually hateful.

Whatever recommendations for a local guy? I'm in Blair county, and regularly travel into Centre, Huntingdon, Cambria and Bedford counties.

March 25th, 2009,12:23 PM

Quote Originally Posted by b.leevr View Post

Any recommendations for a local guy? I'yard in Blair county, and regularly travel into Centre, Huntingdon, Cambria and Bedford counties.

PM Xringshooter.

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